Arsenal 2-1 Everton
It is a shame that such a good fightback was overshadowed so blatantly by some comments by David Moyes, unfounded and damaging comments. Phil Brown did the same, only Moyes seems to moan more.
The offside -
Saha was a mile offside when the ball was played. The linesman told Arsene Wenger that he didn’t give it offside because Koscielny passed the ball to Saha. Let me tell you this: If Koscielny intended that as a pass to Saha he should be given the World Player of the Year award right now. The fact is he wouldn’t have attempted that block, because that is what it was, if Saha was not present in that offside position Koscielny wouldn’t have made the attempt. Hence, Saha is active and offside.
The rule is open to interpretation apparently, and that is my interpretation.
With that over and done with, we were really up against it last night. The ref was appalling and Cesc rightly had a massive go at him when he saw a replay of the goal on the big screen. I couldn’t give a hoot about this respect campaign if the officials are constantly wrong – you respect someone when they are good at their job and making sure the game is fair. When they are absolutely appalling you reserve the right, as captain, to let them know what you think.
If Cesc had a go at the captain I couldn’t give a toss. Yes, sometimes he does go a bit far by waving the ‘imaginary card’ - just bare in mind that it is in the last two games that that has started to get mentioned, after some absolutely appalling decisions. Want respect refs? Up your game drastically.
For quite some time we didn’t fire at all. I said at the time that starting Rosicky was a very bad move, I like the guy but if Arshavin is out of form I have no idea what Rosicky is! Nothing is coming off for him, when Arshavin re-appeared from the bench he got the all important equaliser and it caps off what has been a much better seven days for him.
A win was vital last night, United and Chelsea both won and any dropped points would have been a disaster. We saw the spirit Arsene harks on about and it will only serve to give the players more belief that they can pull something special off this season.
For the first time we have won three consecutive league games and six consecutive games in all competitions. We are showing signs of going on a good run and must keep it going against Newcastle at the weekend, the tail end of the season is a battle of nerves and we must keep ours and get a lot of points on the board in the next nine games. After that, it gets tricky.
David Moyes -
Before I get started let me state that I have no regard for the ‘what goes on in the tunnel stays in the tunnel’ mantra. That kind of ‘lads honour’ is something I just don’t recognise.
However, Moyes blatant comments are just an attempt to smear Cesc’s reputation and deflect the attention away from his own and his teams failings. His team blew a lead and much like Phil Brown he uses the camera free tunnel scenario to try and get one of our players into trouble.
Some members of the media are taking the perceived ’arrogance’ of Cesc towards the officials as a sure sign he is off in the summer; that is just pure troublemaking. As I said earlier, if the ref is wrong you should be able to tell him so as captain of the club. It is in the rulebook!
I hope that eyewitness accounts are taken and that the referee is asked what happened. If the report comes back clear Moyes should be punished for bringing the game into disrepute.
I have no time for Moyes at all, much like I don’t for Brown, Allardyce and Hughes.
Til next time. Onto the next one…
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I used to like Everton and Moyes, but no more. Moyes conveniently forgets that not so long ago he himself was fined for having a go at the referee because he did not agree with the decision. What a hypocrite. You are absolutely right when you say that he did this to deflect attention away from his and his team’s failure. The standard of refereeing in the EPL is getting so bad that more and more fans are beginning to call for an enquiry into possible corruption. So far this year the officials have influenced the results in at least 4 of Manchester United’s league games plus off course there was Howard Webb’s finest hour in the FA Cup.
What an idiot you really are. Cecs Fabregas is a mouthy and dirty player, FACT! He should of been booked for the horrendous challenge on Arteta. It also doesn’t surprise me of his mouth running away with him at half time in the tunnel. Moyes was not looking for excuses, he rarely does. When asked about the offside goal, he agreed with the Arsenal supporters. He also, obviously felt so disgusted at the lack of respect Fabregas seemed (as always) to show. Very talented, but a very, very arrogant dirty player!!
Long way to go yet my freind, we need them to lose 2 games at least. Hope someone does beat them, would hate to see them go unbeaten. We must beat them when we play them
I think they will drop 5-7 points just between the man city bus and a new Chelsea with Torres. Though he hasn’t found his form this season he is a good player especially with drogba taking the physical abuse I think he will get goals in those games. Then if we can move their bus at the emirates that’s the season.
yep, spot on and all of us want the same gooner2!
Borne simply out of frustration at losing & no money to spend, Moyes only embarrassed himself with his accusation towards Fabregas. It would be naive to think that kind of stuff doesn’t occur frequently so for Moyes who himself rants & raves when it suits to say what he did just makes him look like a petty schoolboy snitch. It would be a ‘tragedy’ lol! if Everton were relegated & that’s a likely prospect as they slide down the table short of firepower clinging to a vain hope that Saha will stay fit & firing for the rest of the season.
There’s a long way to go yet, They have to play Chelsea home and away and Liverpool and City as well.
United have been seriously lucky to go unbeaten so far this season, they have had big desicions go their way at key points in matches (more so than usual).
A few examples:
Liverpool: Berbatov dive that was given as penalty and Gerrard sending off
Stoke: blatant penalty not given and Gary Neville not sent off
Sundrland: blatant penalty not given again Neville lucky to stay on
Blackpool: Blatant penalty not given when they could have gone 3-0 down
Even against us Rafael was very lucky not to give away a penalty for a push in the box.
Sunderland:
I hear you my man. Moyes is deflecting attention of his failings. His team has won 5 games and drew 17 which leave them hanging by their nails. Then he comes and say that? How dare you?
However, I am also worried that Cesc is getting a bit more animated every time we get unfair decision as this will get him in trouble: more yellow cards will lead to match bans and we cant afford him to be out with Nassri also out and the league is this tight. Otherwise, we showed bottle to come back. Long may that continue. ARSENAL FOREVER!!
Hi Marty u forgot to throw in Tony Pulis. He’s one of them too. Great post as always mate. Keep it up and c u @ the trophy parade.
Just another side of the David Moyes’ comments..He said that Cesc should have been sent off for his comments. That means he is criticizing the ref as severely as he is trying to criticize Cesc for not doing his job…will FA only investigate Cesc now and not even consider Moyes’ comments against the ref and fine him? Will the stupid English press see this side of his comments branding the ref impotent for not taking the action? Had this been Wenger, every newspaper by now would have had headline about him crying again.
Is this comments section a closed shop for Gooners – or can anyone comment provided that you tow the Arsenal line?!
I tried to make the point earlier (it disappeared)that Cesc Fabregas DID let the expletives fly at the referee (it was stated by Alan Brazil on Talk Sport this morning who had spoken to someone in the tunnel at the time) and Arsene Wenger lying about the incident was ridiculous but typical of the man!
Moreover, and this was my main point – sticks and stones aside – Fabreags shoudl not have been on the pitch at half time after his disgusting challenge on Mikel Arteta that saw him plant his studs down the back of Arteta’s leg. This tackle from behind was, cynical, nasty and could have easily ruptured Arteta’s Achillies and seen him out for another year.
I concur that Fabreags is a great player but he has a nasty streak there for all to see. Spouting off to a ref is one thing, trying to injure another player is another…though it seems Arsenal fans suffer the same affliction as their manager and never see these incidents!
Arsenal need to get over this persecution complex as incidents like this make their moaning when one of their’s is injured look hypocritical at best!
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No, your comment was deleted because it was deliberately trying to wind up other commenters.
Oh, TalkSPORT are reliable are they? They just provoke reactions from fans to get callers + make their money! If it isn’t in the referees report as an extraordinary event it can’t have been that bad – especially considering how willing he was to go to his notebook.
The challenge on Arteta was nasty but not deserving of a red card. You want to talk about tackles? Fellaini did Theo Walcott well after the ball was played, planting his studs into his instep. How about the tackle that Arteta made on Fabregas? It was far worse than that of Cesc.
Have you seen some of the tackles on Arsenal players in recent years? The deliberately hard tackles, designed to hurt the player. And you preach about having a persecution complex? You are telling me that having 3 broken legs from vicious tackles in four years isn’t a coincidence? I’m not saying Arsenal are angels and I condemned Cesc for a tackle I thought was dangerous against Wolves this season. For the record, he apologised to the player in question. Scant justice I know. Wasn’t taken into account though – Bit like Ryan Taylor was made out to be the victim after smashing Eduardo’s leg to pieces and not having his apology accepted.
Back to my point in question though.. David Moyes made unproven accusations against Arsenal’s captain in a deliberate attempt to divert the media away from his own and his teams failings.
Pointing out Cesc for ranting at a ref (allegedly) is a bit rich coming from a guy who was videoed screaming ‘cheat’ at a referee isn’t it.
My initial comments weren’t designed to wind anyone up, I was merely making my point.
And Talksport do make comments to wind up callers but this was simply an aside by Alan Brazil who said he’d been told what Fabregas had said and it was out of order, not a comment designed to provoke anyone, just stating the facts.
I’m not particularly in agreement with Moyes, I can’t actually see why he made comment on it to be honest, I just don’t understand Arsenal’s constant persecution complex!
And I can’t see how you can say that Fabregas’ tackle was only worth a yellow, it was from behind and was done with the intention of injuring Arteta, just because there’s no wild swing or studs over the ball it doesn’t mean it’s not worthy of a red. And a ruptured achillies is a far more serious injury than a leg break as it can easily end a players career!
And yes, I would say that 3 broken legs is a coincidence…during the 2009 season Everton lost 3 players to knee injuries through turning their knees whilst running…if this was Arsenal then no doubt it would be a conspiracy by the grounds staff!
I realise you’ll probably delete this as you think I’m on the wind up, I’m not, I just don’t get why Arsenal have to whinge so much, you’re in with a shout in 4 competitions, play some wonderful football, are in rude health financially and regularly fill your new stadium…lighten up, enjoy it and stop making out as though the world is against Arsenal. It isn’t!
And, in response to your point in question, I wouldn’t say Moyes’ comments were to divert media attention, he admitted the goal was offside (has Wenger EVER done that?!) and admitted we were caught short defensively, which we were.
You need to admit that your captain can be petulant at times and do you really think that an expletive filled rant at the ref is so hard to believe given the frustration the home side felt at half time?
So, David Moyes’ players are all angels, arent they? Bloody stupid hypocrite moldy moyes, the rant or whatever it was, was between the player and the stupid ref who WAS 100? wrong to award the goal. Idiot stupid moyes, had that same goal happened agains everton, I bet you’d be screaming up and down the touch line, and confront the same ref as well. Dont give the crap about expletives, unless your players are all angels or cinderellas.
F@ck David Moyes, Talksport & Alan Brazil. They’re just running with a story…you know of the fairytail type.
The referee made no mention of any incident in his match report so out side of David Moynes head there is no incident for Cesc to answer to…but still the headlines are along the lines of “Fabregas escapes punnishment.” For what????
This is character assasination by uncorroberated heresay.
Seb Shelton
London
Do one mate, don’t care if Cesc upsets you don’t watch us play, mind you if you can realy take anything that talkshit say’s about Arsenal as being news or note worthy you got big big problems, maybe medication can help, but then again maybe not.
Les: There are plenty of occasions where Wenger has had his words twisted to make a story – most recently it is the comments regarding Chelsea’s spending on deadline day. He didn’t actually have a dig at all. There are/and have been times where Wenger has lied to protect a player. He may have done it here and I am one of those who think Cesc said something, but like I said, if it was that bad the ref would have noted it.
Regarding the ‘coincidence’ – that is a load of rubbish. It is completely different sustaining an impact injury to an injury that occurs through wear and tear or training regimes.
Cesc can be petulant, I know that and everyone knows that. He has a spiky side to his character but no worse than most players in the league. Why single Cesc out when we have Drogba, Terry, Rooney, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Arteta, Gerrard, Cole.
The fans of every club have a persecution complex. It is how it works.
Strangely enough, a lot of fans I know aren’t the ones moaning. Yes, they do exist and I hear it enough at the games I attend “**** off back to Russia” – “Russian ****” – “Bendtner you useless ****” being just a few I heard last week.
I can’t stand fans like that. Hate them, in fact.
However, look at the media’s reaction to an UNPROVEN EVENT and reporting it as almost fact, overshadowing everything from the game (like Moyes intended). Cesc is the victim of that again, just like he was when Phil Brown alleged he spat at him.
Martin, it’s not the first time we win 3 in a row in the league, it’s actually the third, but a vital win nonetheless.
We are better than what a lot of people give us credit for (not saying you aren’t but you get me).
We beat Blackpool, Blackburn and Bolton. We beat Birmingham, City and West Ham.
So now that Fabregas has made his admission, and the BBC have film of what happened ,How about a discussion on the comments Wenger made ie Cesc never spoke to any official.Just admit it Arsenal fans you play Quality football but aspects of your club stink, and although a great player Fabregas is once again proven to be a horrible piece of work,
@psblue – where exactly is that film? I’d like to watch it. Is it on the net?
I concur with Les Roberts, I too had valid comments removed that were contra to the article. I had in fact stated factually and honestly that I had been in direct communication with persons whom had witnessed the incident at extremely close quarters and that Cesc HAD let fly, contra to Arsene’s assertions that he had NOT engaged the referee. It has now been confirmed, per my assertion that was removed, that Arsene did in fact tell a blatant lie, and that Cesc had indeed aimed a very unhealthy spray of no-so-plite adjectives towards Lee Mason and co. Under the rules of the game as they stand at this time, any such incident that occurs between kick-off and the final whistle must result in a straight red card. Incidents that occur after the final whistle are dealt with by review. Quite why these comments were deleted is beyond me, and as you will now all be well aware, they have been proven to be 100% accurate. You really should be more prepared to accept that persons will hold contra-views to those which you express.
Oh by the way psblue. Take a look at this.
“An Everton player, who asked not to be named, said: “As we were walking down the tunnel, Fabregas was shouting and screaming, ‘How much have you paid the ref?’ and ‘Everton are a bunch of cheats’.”
You don’t need to be a genius to comprehend the fact that by saying “the ref” he is not talking TO the ref otherwise he would have said you.
Now that’s your player’s quote, so unless you have a problem with Cesc giving your players some stick, it’s better we just forget this ridiculous non-story.
If you are not open to valid and sensible, polite communication, what is the point of having a comments facility? call it the “blindly agree with the author and add pointless vitroilic comments for un-known personal agendas”
Not cool.
Any negative press Moyes can get for arsenal will help his mate at old trafford.
Another manager who has a problem with wenger fuelled by jealously
re: Jazbo
Very helpful little paragraph you put there, I’ll get back on the medication.
It’s true that this is very much a non-story but I feel that it’s the reaction of everyone at Arsenal (fans included) that has blown it up. Wenger is now backtracking on his assertions that nothing was said and is now saying that things are said in the heat of the moment, waht’s said in the tunnel stays in the tunnel etc. etc.
I just don’t understand why this wasn’t the official line from the start? Wenger is perceived by everyone to be ‘blinkered’ (to be diplomatic)and this latest episode just adds to that!
And anyone concerned about a witch hunt against Fabregas should bear this in mind – a few years ago Arsene Wenger’s comments about Andy Johnson diving to get penalties ensured that Everton never got a penalty for about the next 40 league games (despite some stone wall shouts) and seriously affected Johnson’s form.
So it could be a case of what goes around comes around – you Gunners really do need to lose the persecution complex though, it’s wearing very thin!
As I watched David Moyes recount his version of events after the game the word poddle came to mine followed by spineless.
The burning question for me is what purpose does all this serve? I know that many are of the opinion it is to deflect attention away from Everton, maybe that’s a part of it but I do not believe it’s the only part.
I remember when Phil Brown falsely accused Fabregas of spitting at him – I asked the same question then what is this really all about?
Admittedly I haven’t spent a great deal of time thinking about David Moyes… but it is fascinating to watch how low some people will sink and how the word integrity is banded about by people who appear to have little or no relationship with it.
And as for Alan Brazil like many on that sometimes entertaining but all too often absurdly riddiculous radio show it would be niave of us to unquestioning believe what they tell us – about anything much less Arsenal, Arsen or any Arsenal player for that matter.